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Podcast topics include: Law of Attraction, Honoponopono, Mindfulness & Self Mastery. This Conscious Conversation features: Inner Space Des Moines Co-Owner Brandy Gilmartin, Rodney Ryan & DJ Marty McFly.
Welcome to the conscious. Crew podcast. I'm DJ Marty and today we have our special guests here from Innerspace, Brandy. and Rodney Ryan down on the end, uh, today's topic is going to be self mastery you brought this to the table. What do you have for us today? Oh, so much. Um, a lot of people will say like, what is self mastery and then they expect me to like say the definition of it. And I actually don't even know the real definition. I've never even looked it up. Mastery is just something that along the years, uh, I always tried to figure out what I was doing, what do I have to offer, you know, and along this journey of trying to figure out what I have to offer the world I was working on myself constantly, people would say like, Oh, how do you do what you do and how do you live the way you live and think the way that you think. And I would just always have these breadcrumbs and these bits of things for people, you know, and they'd be like, Oh, that's great, you know, follow that breadcrumb and do that thing. And it was actually just over the past year that I realized like that topic is like self mastery of myself. And I also got into this big ah, imposter syndrome, which I think everybody's guilty of. You know, I'm not, who am I to share about this? Who am I to talk about whatever topic I feel passionate about or that I, that I know that I'm really, I'm passionate about and, I even had it come up this morning, I was talking to a friend on a voice text and I said, Oh man, that imposter syndrome popped up in me today. Like, who am I to talk about self mastery and then I instantly was able to like transmute that and alchemize it and be like, well, let's just about myself. It's what I've been doing for myself, the tools that I've been using for myself, sharing my story so nobody is better at sharing their own self mastery then their self and in the collective, if we're all just other selves, how can we not benefit by sharing? Sure. So you're just sharing your experience, right?
So who better to do that? Yeah. So it's not like here's how to accomplish self mastery. There's some things that maybe works for me. Yeah. And what's working for you? And tell me about it from there I can, you know, pick up for my own self? That's what we're all doing. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
A lot of people were talking about enlightenment. I don't think there's, you know, a place that you reach as far as enlightenment. It's like as soon as you get to a plateau where you're like, Oh, I know this, I'm feeling good about this. Well then you're going to expand again. So self mastery is continuous. It's almost the infinite as far as you want to go with it within your own life, you know?
Yeah. So long as you keep seeking right, seeking more information, you're not putting those blocks up in your life. Say, Oh, I've got this figured out. You know, as long as you're continuing on your own journey.
Yeah, definitely. Absolutely. I agree with that.
So, um, we're so proud that you're one of our sponsors and you've really helped us in marketing and things over at inner space for our conscious kickback that's coming up. If you didn't know, be sure to check that out on our Facebook page. I've really noticed, um, that you guys are doing a lot of great things over at interspace, from the salt lounge to activities, um, tell us a little bit more about some of the things that you guys offer over at interspace. Yeah. Well, in our space is we call it an integration center for self mastery. Whole bunch of tools, just a big building full of tools for people to come and experience for their own selves. Yeah. I love it. I love it. Yeah. It's the owen chris tow building. So sometimes people are like, Ooh, that building, you know, older generations that might have experienced getting a tow, but we have transmuted the energy of the building. So, we have a 6,000 square foot building that has a movement space that also doubles as like a large workshop and retreat spaces. 1300 square foot are movement classes, really focus on, um, releasing trauma trapped in the body. So there's, much more than fitness. It's like working out your soul, right? Instead of just working out your body. We have mindfulness classes. We have lots of sound modalities that go on their sound based. We have sound showers, we have sound plus breath, lots of very, um, easy to step into things go on in that space for people don't have to, they can just show up for themselves without expectation of having to do a lot of work. It's very easy to lay there and feel sound and feel the benefits. And then from that, people think, wow, that felt really good. And here, here's my experience during that and this is what came up for me. And from there they can kind of do their own self exploration. So other parts of the building, we have a workshop space, which is tables and chairs set up. Um, it's really open. We have murals painted in there by Zachary Brown. He's the local visionary artists. You can find him on Instagram, visionary Voyager. Okay. Um, he did all the murals inside of our building. Um, but in this workshop space, yeah, I actually remember seeing a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, they're just amazing in his work is just extraordinary. Um, we hope to have the murals evolve as our building and the consciousness of the collective evolves too. Um, but in this workshop, spaces for hands-on creative, get messy, tap into your inner child. Um, that type of thing. We have another space that we call the flex room and it's for more intimate workshops. It's like a big cozy living room feel, you know, so that you're not like feeling like you're in this cold, open, big space trying to gather this really expansive information about your own self. Um, so it's very comfortable in that space. And we also have studios in the back where we have practitioners that do one-on-one modalities, healing, different healing modalities. Um, massage, Reiki. We have a shamonic practitioner, uh, biodynamic breathwork practitioner, which I think she's the only one in Iowa. Um, and then we have a chiropractor back there who specializes on like trapped emotions in the body, not just like, you need adjusted, this vertebrae hurts, but like, here's the energetics behind why that disc keeps slipping. Is this what's going on in your life? You know, she's, a nervous system doctor instead of just, you know, she's not just working on your bones, she's working on your nervous system, keeping you in Paris, sympathetic state versus sympathetic. So staying in that rest and digest and out of that fight or flight as much as possible. That's kind of the whole goal of the whole building. Um, we have a woman who's moving in in March. She does taro readings and she also has an apothecary. We have, uh, just so many amazing individual practitioners back there. We also have three studios that are for rent daily or hourly. And these are for these studios are for people who are just stepping in to their practice or working part time and don't want to commit to a full studio, but want to have that professional environment. Like, I have this modality, I want to do it. I don't have the confidence or the clientele necessarily to like open up my own shop or maybe that people don't even want to have that responsibility and, or they don't want to do it out of their house. So we have that at very affordable rates for hourly and daily. And we did that because when I and Alicia, the other owner and I were kind of stepping into our modalities years ago, working out of our house or Alicia would rent a space that was almost the same price that she would have to charge a client. So like, that's not sustainable. So a lot of the creation of inner space was how can we support not only the public with their growth and evolution and self mastery but the practitioners and what they want to do. That's amazing. So, um, that, that's, that's awesome. Uh, so I have a question. So where did your journey in the conscious type of business start? What got you interested in that? That's probably a long story. That's fine. When I was younger like really little. I kept having people say like, Oh, you have like these gifts or I would speak something before somebody would say something and I didn't have any idea because I was little and they'd be like, why did you just say that? You know? Um, and I remember one really, I don't remember what I said cause I, but I was camping and my dad and mom's friend was there and he was like being really theatrical by the bonfire. And all of a sudden I like dropped down to my knees and started yelling like Stella. And they were like, you just completed, what he was doing like theatrical that he was doing. And I had no idea. I would just felt like I should do that. I was like six or seven, you know, like I was little, I had no idea. So all these little things kept popping up and um, eventually society tells you that that's not okay. You know, you have all this conditioning that's layered on top of your gifts and it's like, that's not okay. Turn that off. It's not okay to show that, you know, it goes all the way back to like, women were burned for showing their gifts of even just learning how to work with herbal medicine. I love the time that we live in because there's an information age. I think that that's where we're moving as, as, um, humankind. We're moving towards a more enlightened state. yeah, absolutely. And supporting everybody along the way instead of saying, Oh no, turn that light off. Don't show that light, you know, or dim that just a little bit. It's more like no shine baby, So it's really, I have no hard feelings for that part of my life where it was like, and I can't even, I don't even know who said turn it off, but it's just layers upon layers then growing up I had, all these things and they had me go through these tests, these IQ tests. My IQ was super high when I was little, and then they just kept, you know, I got a little bit older and they medicated me and then I got smart and realized I could sell my medical. Like I was like, how can I, you know, I was always kind of like one step ahead, from that I turned to using cocaine and I was hard into drugs in high school and right after high school and I was just going down this place that was just not good. And I knew that it wasn't, and I was able to pull myself out of that without any like, rehab or anything. It was just like one day I was like, this is not OK. you know? Um, from that, I, I was a hairdresser for 15 years. I struggled on and off with alcohol, still trying to cap that, you know, I have these gifts coming out and there was something that was like, no, you know, this conditioning of like dim that, you know, numb yourself, get back down to the level of the world, you know, not like there's hierarchy or anything, but to the level of the, the collective consciousness for a while because it's, you're not ready to, people aren't ready for all of that. And so over the past 15 years, I was a hairdresser. I would stand behind the chair and talk to people and like going to the hairdressers, like going to a counselor, right? Oh, I know therapy, absolutely. Sit down in the chair and we just kind of let it all out. And what I started to realize, especially after I had my son, it really got it, like opened up a portal inside of me. You know, as, as women and men, we all have a womb space. Um, even men do, and it's the creation, the CR, you know, the creator of everything that is. And so after I had my son this portal opened up and I noticed when I was standing behind a chair talking to people and they were telling me things, I would start to receive messages and I would just give them the message and I didn't know where it was coming from, but I would just say here this is for you, this is for you. And they, it was kind of like, wow, how did you know that? Or how did you notice to say that? And I didn't know, but I was just unfiltered here it is. And yeah. Yeah. And it was a very safe space for me to do that because I was one on one in my studio. Nobody else could hear me or, you know, and it was just comfortable. And then I recognized how comfortable I was getting and then I was like, well, it's time to grow. Yeah. You know, you just have the steps or stages. Yeah. You're getting those growing pains and everything's pulling at you that yes, this is what you were supposed to be doing in the time. So I never look back and say, Oh, why did I do that for so long? But it was like, it's time to shift as time to evolve as time to start taking care of your, of yourself instead of everybody who's behind the chair. And then that's when I kind of stepped into that. That's a self mastery like just constantly taking care of myself. A lot of it was just coping with being an empath and taking on everybody's shit. Pretty much. When I was standing behind the chair, I didn't mind it. I would gladly take it with love, but I had to like do all this work to like, that's not mine, you know? Yeah. And then through that process, more started unfolding and I started attending more workshops and visiting different healers, different modalities, and then I started stepping up my game and going to really big retreats and intensives and immersions and traveling everywhere to gather more information because we didn't have that here, you know?
Let me ask you a question. The person I learned Reiki from, she is always telling me, do everything on your own. You don't study with anybody else. Do you feel that there is an advantage to study with other people or do you feel like, there's a right or wrong, but I guess that there's advantages to both ways. Which one do you think would be more effective to somebody who is just getting started. Do you suggest people go out on their own and learn first or do you suggest to them to get with a group of people? Um, I, I guess it could go either way. I did a lot of self exploration because none of this stuff was brought to the light when I started my journey. So a lot of it had to be, I was like digging and finding and um, I also kind of got this visual when you asked me that question of somebody who's like drowning, which is what a lot of how lot of society feels with anxiety and depression and this weight. It's like asking somebody who's drowning if they want help to get out of the water or if they want to try to get out of the water by themselves. So it's not that I ever was seeking a teacher. I don't have like a specific teacher. I have lots of mentors. I went to the retreats and the immersions for myself to see, to help me clear space so I could access more information on my own. Does that make since, yeah. Oh, absolutely. It's the connections with the people there. The times that I've been to things and it's like the content or the information might not be new to me or might not be something I'm incredibly interested in, but there's a connection that I've made there. This little golden nugget. That's why I always talk about like this little golden nugget. Even if you already, you know, have done your ABCs and you know, and you don't want to go to an ABC class, but like, the basics of mastering yourself. Let's say there's like this really great quote we share at some times on Innerspace, the mastery of anything is the basics well done. I like that. Yeah, absolutely. I love that. I love that. We're never too good to revisit things and so I would say for somebody who's listening and might be like, how do I, you know, where do I start? What do I do? That's exactly why we created inner space and that's exactly why we offer the variety of things that we offer is because not one size fits all. We're not one center for one. You're not trying to tell them, well this is the only way they can get where you want to be. Come like explore the different parts of yourself. We created Alicia and I created this because this is something we wish would have existed when we started. So you know, you're on the right track because you're following your own journey, providing things that you wish that you had had. For me it's like listening to that voice so everyone has that voice, like you're saying, should it be, should I go to a group? Should I go? I would just follow, follow the trail, like you said, the breadcrumbs. That's kind of what I've always done. I always consider myself a Maven of like continual learning, always trying to learn more. If I hear something, okay, what exactly does that mean? So I'll dive further into that. Or if an opportunity comes my way or you know, crosses my path, then I'll follow that, you know? So I think that's important for people to kind of just follow your own journey. If you have a thought, man, I really wish I knew more about this. Like, don't wait to make that. Yeah, find a way to go ahead and follow that thought. And without judgment. That's so people are everybody I'm guilty of it. Every single person judges themselves are judges their thoughts or you know, Oh I'm curious about that but no this or, but my grandmother said this. Or also checking in with yourself and who's answering you is the big thing. When you ask yourself a question, who's answering, is it your conditioning? Is it your, you know, your higher self, is it whatever you want to call it, who is answering the question and is that answer there to support you or is it there to like keep you comfortable or sabotage you from being the expansive being of love that you are I always call it like, um, like following your knowing, you know, um, the go to go back to where we were talking about with the group some things and doing things on my own. I've always been my, myself as an individual, I'm very like there's something in me that's rebellious. So if I read something or study something, I'll be like, okay, I like that. That's crap. I like that. Yeah, that's crap. This helps me. The rest of this is their story and being aware of that and um, you know, acknowledging that that's, that's okay. You're not going to be able to get in your truth from anybody else. Yeah, yeah. No, I have not even just that you were using your hands and like setting the things aside because that's all we have to do is if something doesn't resonate with us and we can just set it aside, we don't have to expend any energy talking to other people about how that's not for us or anything like that. It's just like, Nope, not for me. Yeah. Doesn't resume in the simplest thing. If someone's like, how I even check in with if something's for me, what does checking in even mean? It's like pickup a can of soda and a bottle of water and ask yourself which one you should I have, not which one you want, how much you should have. Like that's the easiest thing to, to gauge your own radar. I feel like I have no idea. I love that. Some people will even hear like, Oh, just check in with yourself. And they're like, how do I check? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. I suppose to like text myself and that's kind of meditation would come in, you know, you've talked about clearing your mind, um, creating space for yourself to kind of listen to your own intuition or um, you know, hear your inner voice, your spirit energy, whatever you want to call it. Um, just, you know, allowing that to kind of resonate with you and then check your moral compass, kind of go that direction. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I'm big with visuals
and like analogies of things and, and every time. So I kind of visualized myself as this like overstuffed suitcase, right. At such a young age. It was just full, couldn't take in anything else. And it's like every time that I would say yes to myself and try something new or start with meditation, I started with meditation on YouTube, listening to mantra based, um, Omani pad may hum. And I would just say that I would try that. And then I stepped into a silent mantra on my own 20 minutes, twice a day in my meditation journey kind of evolved. And as I said yes to myself, it would be like somebody who taking a piece out of the bag, taking a, you know, what was it needed or what, I didn't need any more. It wasn't like I never needed it. It was there. The reason I just didn't need it anymore. And then it opened up all this space in the suitcase for all this new to come in this unknown to come into me. Like, like that saying, uh, when the student is ready, the teacher will appear. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
It's also like a, you can look at the places where you maybe need some advancement or some self-work. Uh, maybe if you're struggling financially or um, you know, you're angry, you know, just wherever your relationships, those different areas, you can look to kind of study in those areas. So not always just listening, but if you're not quite getting those intuitive messages, then you can just maybe look into where you feel like you need more help. Yeah, absolutely. Starting small. I think we're all getting, I know we're all getting those messages. It's just what we're judging them as in her mind. You know, what, what, how they're coming in or judging what they're, what they're saying or being fearful of those thoughts and things are things that we think we shouldn't look at parts of ourselves that we shouldn't look at. Those are the parts that we need to look at those, that's where you should go, you know, that nothing is taboo anymore. Do you know who Ron Rahm Doss? I know who he is, but I haven't studied that much. Oh, so we just showed his newest documentary film at inner space. We'll probably have another showing soon, but um, he has a Scholastic V on looking at other people. I'm not quoting him verbatim. So when you go outside and you see a tree and it's like crinkled and crooked and you know, you always find the beauty in it and you're like, Oh that tree is like that. And that one's a little smaller and that's okay. And that one's really big and beautiful, but they're all beautiful. You know, we don't go outside and judge trees, you know, we just have an awareness and recognize that they're all different and they're all doing their own. Let me do that to people. So then people are trees. Just go look at people like tree there about judgment. That's beautiful. I love that. The like trees, it's so simple. The more that we, what I'm learning this year for myself as like to simplify and going back to the basics and the more we can simplify things, the more that we can get into our heart and out of our head. You know, when there's a situation that feels really complicated, I'm like, what needs to be simplified here? And then I take a moment and just kind of get back into my heart space and it's a lot smoother to simplify. Yeah. Something I've noticed is controlling your surroundings. Um, so you know, if you're around negativity, if you're watching it, you know, even in your music, different things, it's, we are in a, at a, at least a certain aspect. We're a product of our environment, you know, we pick up from things around us. So I would say is part of self-mastery is kind of like controlling your environment around you. And in that way, you're not kind of basking in the, in this, uh, um, a lifestyle that you don't want to pursue. I think that that's an important aspect. And, um, as far as, you know, being able to clear that space in those things, I, I just, I feel like that's done wonders for me to, like you said, like we've all been through different things in our life and once you can get out of that space and surround yourself either in your own sanctuary and be able to kind of, you know, if you're into whatever your passions are, uh, live in those and live around people that are in those, uh, even down to social media, you know, I used to have a lot of people on, on a line and in different videos that are negative people fighting a different nonsense. And once I removed all of those away and I said, well, I'm really into DJ so I'm only going to follow, uh, close friends, supportive people, DJ's, mentors, like, you know, people that are doing the things that I want to do. And we really kinda changed my life, uh, in a way of being able to, um, just have my mental space clear and focused on what I want to pursue. And you'll watch the world around you change everything. Will kind of, because you're changing your frequency, your vibration and everything will match that or fall off. And then like you said, when the student's ready, the teacher appear, right? Yeah. So yeah, like you're saying like things just pop up, um, in alignment with what you're doing as long as you're living in your, your pursuits. Because we're, we have unlimited support, unlimited support. It's out there. It's, it's ourselves that gets in the way of thinking that we don't, we're thinking that we're not good enough or unworthy of, you know, it's there. It's just a matter of, like you mentioned, like kind of clearing that space around you and there's a lot of work that goes into that too because maybe you recognize that a relationship that you have with a very close family member doesn't fit in your, you know, doesn't fit in your boundaries that you said, I've thought about that before. And so like of course you need to still associated with them, but just maybe in different ways or limited amounts of time where the work comes in that we have to do on ourselves. That's why it's not like we can't run around changing other people. Yeah. That's where we are. That stinks, doesn't it? That's one of the struggles. It is. You can't control other people's choices. Right. That's, that's a struggle that I've dealt with it. Cause like I'm pretty earthy person. And so, um, the way that I find my comfort is not necessarily controlling my surroundings, but I struggled with that. That, you know, I can't, if I want to change, I can't make that person change with me or I can't make a, if I want to do this and my life, well that person may not want to grow. Right. You know, and you kind of almost get like a survivor's guilt because you're like, well, I left things alone from the past so that I can move on to the next level. And then people will be like, well, they'll like throw hooks at you. Like, Oh man, you changed. You're not, you're not staying true to what we, what we we're doing. And there's a famous quote from Snoop Dogg like, uh, to that effect that, uh, if you know, his friends say, Oh man, you changed and he, you know, you're not, you're not a down with VAT bore or whatever. You don't mess with it anymore. And it's like, you know, I gave you a chances to, to grow with me. If you're not growing with me, then I'm going up. And like, you can only have so much of a buffer there, but until somebody got to balance out and he's said that he's not going back down to anyone. And um, yeah. And if consciousness is like something that is super important to you, that's something to you, you're going to have to accept, you will outgrow people. And it's like, yeah, I mean it's, it's kind of like bittersweet kind of. It is. It's like, you know, I'm so glad with what I'm doing, but then you're like, man, I kind of left some people behind, but this is what I'm called to do. So, so attachment with that. So I'm working through like all of these are things to work through. You know, when we have guilt because of how we have to feel like even if it's like your mother or your father or you know, something somebody very close to you. And it's like, I have to work on all this process, all these emotions that I'm feeling, all this stuff that's coming up. So the guilt and then forgiving yourself and working on attachment and not being attached. You know, I have this, this visual of a balloon with a string, with a weight on the end. And it's like telling somebody, you know, they're like, you can become a balloon too, but if you don't, I'm going to have to cut the string and you'll become a balloon when you're ready. I have to like, I have to do what I'm supposed to do, this beautiful that is beautiful. And they say it's lonely at the top. But I mean, I don't necessarily always agree with that. I think that, um, you know, sometimes when you're on your journey it can feel lonely. But once you start to get where you're going and you're finding other people that are, are coming in alignment with you and where you're wanting to go. And like I said, surround yourself around the people that are doing the things that you want to do, the places that you want to be, um, start to go to those places and uh, you'll find like minded people there. So, you know, sometimes I think it is kind of lonely for people, like you said, to cut that string. Um, it's kinda like, it's so thin, it's so easy, but you know, we just cut it and then, you know, sometimes it'll take you a while, but you'll find other balloons then. Yeah, once you get up there, it's, it's trusting the process that if you want something for yourself, if you're going to start having any and you're like, I know this who I am meant to be and what I'm supposed to be doing is trusting and allowing that support to come in wholeheartedly. And that means like getting into your heart space, you know, and a lot of people forget we get up here and all of this goes and goes and goes and goes and our monkey mind and we just needed like drop back down. Tell us what the monkey mind is. I've heard that used many times. What does that mean? All the, all the crazy, Oh, so like just the mental clutter. Yeah. I mean everything that kind of impedes, you can tell a difference in sometimes you can tell when people are, if you're trying to figure things out, you know, and your people will like look up when they're thinking cause they're looking like some things talking to them up here, you know? Um, and it's just taking that moment if you feel like your thoughts were running or you don't know how to make a decision or you start to hear things in your head and like so many thoughts and it kind of starts to make you anxious. Just taking that moment to take a deep breath in. I do the four, six, eight breath whenever to try to like get back down to my heart's heart center, which is inhale for four and hold for six and exhale for eight through like pursed lips. I do that three times in a row and just kind of helps me go back down to center, brings me back into my heart space where you feel home, you know, that feeling of like just still in this for a second that everything's okay. You know, when I stay here for a moment then I can get clarity on, on what's next. And it's gonna and it doesn't mean that it doesn't suck and it doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt and it's not painful and this isn't all beautiful and spiritual or voting or it's like socks and cry and let it out. And when you feel those things come up, let them come up with, the more we just keep pushing them down, the more they are going to, it's going to just suck even worse. You know, like just let it out. So with the monkey minds, what you're saying is like a, so the mental scramble. So, uh, when you're, it's kind of, to me, that's could be a place where people's intuition gets confused with their logical or they're, you know, so it's like, okay, if you were stopped and think about it, like you're saying, take some time, do a breath, exercise, meditate. Or maybe just give us some time to think. Maybe you would get to more clarity, but say someone's having a, a struggle, they're upset about a situation and you know, they don't give that time to clear. So they just jumped to their, uh, well I need to figure this out now. And then, yeah. That there's like a, a check-in point. Am I trying to figure something out because I used to be there. Yeah, I di I was too. And I catch myself. I mean, this is a constant evolution. Yeah. Being business people, um, that, that's one of the main struggles I've had to deal with. It is the monkey mind. Cause it's like, okay, percentages, uh, accounts receivable, accounts payable, uh, you know, taxes, money, numbers, didn't it then internet. And then they'll say this is, but that went back to the, uh, I think I shared this tool before. Um, and like I said, it's not gonna work for everybody. But what I do personally is in my head as loud as I can say it, stop. Yeah. Stop. And then that'll give you a chance to be like, okay, I'm gonna grab this and just look at this for a second. This for a second, cause Marty is like my best friend and he knows that I'm a rambler. Sometimes we'll get on the phone, I'll be like, Hey, I got this idea, dah, dah, dah. And then by the time that I've just finished that idea, I've jumped all the way over here to talk about this idea and vice versa. Well and that's like more when you feel that way. There's also what just popped in was like that creative flow, that flow state process too, you know. So also understanding is that coming through flow state or is that a whole a whole bunch of stuff in my head feeding me lies and trying to distract me from getting to where I need to go. Mm. So what would, I mean I have an understanding so that the way to gauge that would be like how you feel. So if you feel good about it and isn't a good vibe, then that's a good type of chatter. But if you're feeling bad then it's, it's uh, if it's not making you feel, is it an empowered or disempowered thing is its power, you know, like what it is that, is it something that's empowering you or is it thoughts that are trying to, Hmm disempower you and make you feel smaller? Like you can't or it's too much where it's overwhelming or no, who's going to listen to you or who you know, who's going to take you seriously or don't talk about that. It's gonna, you know, like nobody, all of that stuff we can kind of gauge by, is this like a cheerleader cheering me on and you're like, yes, do that. It doesn't matter. The fear of not, not, not be fearless, but be terrified, you know, like, yes, it's okay to be scared instead of being like, Oh, that's going to freak you out. Don't do that. There's, there's so much, so much stuff. There's so many layers to it all like are money and you know podcast. Yeah. And that's another reason why we created a, her space was because as people are peeling back the layers and go into this and experiencing this, okay, now I'm working on this. What about forgiveness? So I think, I think we're going to start a ho Pono Pono every week or maybe several times a week. It's a forgiveness practice and it is powerful. Um, and they want to share about that right now or do you want to wait for people to come to the class? Oh, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah. I master taught me that and it's very forgiveness. We forget that we, like we talk about forgiving other people for something that they did, but have we ever forgiven ourselves for any judgment place on a situation or a cause? Everything is really just like a thought and what is true. It might be truth for us, but is it truth? And there's all this other stuff that gets really complicated. But the simplest thing is forgiveness and the forgiveness practice. You can talk about it. Oh, okay. So hold on. Opponent opponent, I don't remember the doctor's name, but the, um, the gist of the story is he was a psychologist. I, and he used this practice to heal, uh, a mental ward from a distance. He, uh, the, the practice is I love you. Please forgive me. I'm sorry. And thank you. And you're not saying this to an individual or you're saying this to the, to your inner self and to the universe. Um, it's an ancient Hawaiian practice. And um, basically what it does, if you have to say it from like a practical, uh, perspective is when we're going through things, we bring up energy. And what it does is waves the energy and clears. That's the way I would say. Yeah. And then you get back to zero point, which is the point of choice. Yeah. You know, that's a really powerful because as you know, like you said earlier in business, things come up and they don't go exactly the way that, Oh wait, I planned it to go this way. And then someone else or some outside force did something that threw me off. And like earlier on in my journey, I may have gotten up, like I said, jumped on someone, Hey, what the heck you said this or that, you know? But getting back to that point, it's like, okay, so how do we want to handle this? Because if you just go off that, that uh, I'm a social response. Yes. Oh man. Where the trouble comes in with, with, um, so many of the problems we see in the community. So, but yeah, so even without knowing a lot about that, um, I've practiced a lot of that and, and I think that that is a key thing for a lot of people dealing with a variety of, of different, I mean, anything. If you are interested in the practice, you can literally just sit down and close your eyes and the first situation that pops in your brain. I remember the first time I did it in the first situation that popped into my brain was something that happened when I was two and it was an interaction I had with my grandmother and I'm like, and then I started to kind of judge myself a little bit on am I suppose. Is that what I should be forgiving? You know, we kind of go through. That even happens for me it's like, no, I don't want to forgive that. I'm going to forgive this. Then it's like, no, this is what you need to do and what I like how you said it just kind of clears it and what it does is just kind of removes like the memory from your DNA, not the memory of the situation but the feeling, the charge behind it. And so it's, and then going back to zero point, I love that you brought that up. The point of choice because ultimately to think of those situations and not feel anything in our body like construction or contraction anywhere in our bodies, when we think of those situations, we were free of any emotional trauma or anything that we're holding on to. When we think of that situation, it could even be like, Oh gosh, I got my boss the wrong kind of coffee on Thursday and I'll, you know, like holding onto that hope over an opponent of that. Yeah. You know, um, uh, me and Marty, uh, I've talked about this a lot about learning from her kids. Okay. So something, a lesson that I learned from my youngest son, okay, we'll just be in conversation and then we're good. A little data on around the house doing chores, dah, dah, dah, dah. And in conversation he was like, well, that one time you yelled at me. Right? And that's kind of a, I would say that would be a perfect mirror reflection of how we collect all these points of view throughout life. You know? Oh, well you, you can't do that. Like somebody will tell, Oh, you can't do that. Or, um, you're, you know, you have behavior disorders. I'm talking from my own perspective, you know, um, uh, you never know how to listen or you do this wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong without builds up. And that I believe is the, um, what's the word I'm looking for? It is the contrast that we need to break through to higher planes. Well, I definitely believe that people that struggle and have to push can make it, you know, they get stronger. It can make it even higher. Also, I want to rewrite the narrative on that. I feel, I mean as we're moving into 20, 20 and the energies that are here supporting us, now I'm in this like we're in the golden age of Aquarius, right? And I'm not an astrologer or anything like that, but the energies are here to support us. To kind of get out of that, you have to struggle, you have to sacrifice to, to be your best self, to show up for your best self. You have to do all the things and doing, doing, doing, doing and figure it out. And that's how you do it. Like taking a step back away from even those stories and those conditionings like we, when Elisha and I opened up inner space, um, people were like, Oh, you guys must be so stressed out along the whole process. And we really weren't like, it was, it was amazing. It felt great the entire time because that'll be energy that we attached in any transaction with building the business and everything. We literally built the whole inside of that building. Um, we were very conscious of the energy that was connected to it and then not being like, Oh yes, when we open, we're never going to see our families and all of that. Like, no, we don't have to do that. We don't, I'm, you know, I'm not there right now. Alicia is not there right now. Um, and we don't have to, we're home every evening and if we want to be, we choose to be at inner space when we're working, you know, it's, and it's not like, and we have set it up and we have been supported along the way to not have to work hard and sacrifice, like, let go. Like, uh, there's an exercise for that too. Yeah. Letting go of, um, you know, and let things come in. Yeah. Right. But so much of that is like what we witnessed growing up, what our parents witnessed. It's just all of that societal conditioning of how things have to be. And that plays into all of that plays into, you know, our own worthiness. And like you mentioned it so many times. You hear this over and over again and then you're like, well, I'm not worthy of anything cause I can't even shoot a basket. And who goes one time my dad looked at me wrong and it just looked at me like failure, you know, and then that lives inside of me and then you start to, you almost take it on the other people's perspectives as your own, you know, like, um, but that, back to the, I guess the solution of that is that's where Homer brought all the wild with on a pro bono will help with that. I have it printed out and hung in my kitchen so that the whole family can see anytime, anytime. Yeah. Yeah. And going back to two, checking in when we were talking about earlier in the podcast, checking in with who's speaking, who's, who's replying when you're checking in, is that your conditioning? Is it yourself? Is it who you, your future self? Is it who you know you are, who's answering? So, uh, you guys have a ton of awesome workshops and, and different, um, activities almost every day, right? Yeah. So, uh, what are some ones that you would suggest for people who are kind of just getting started on their journey and they want to come into that? Can you tell us some of the practitioners and, and uh, what classes in particular you think would be good for someone? So right now we are working on having something every day like midday, um, an evening. And on Mondays we have, um, a mid day meditation. I'm like Janet Casin and it's 45 minutes at $7. It's at 1230. Yeah. $7 1230 to one 15. Um, it's very introductory all the way down to, I would even still attend it. You know, it's, it's very easy for somebody to step into and it's also great for all of these classes that we have no matter that what they appear as the entry level. Think of it as like human continuing education. Well like you said, basic uh, master the basics mastery of anything is the basics well done. So we have that on Monday at 10 30 on Mondays we have sound showers. 10 30 to 1130, you just lay on a mat and Carlin Marin is the facilitator for that and it's Tibetan singing bowls and tuning forks and she comes in tunes your with your energy field, the sound healing. It's just like a shower of just releasing the energetic gunk that may be built up before the weekend. We also have those on Monday nights. We have sound plus breath on Thursday afternoon or Thursday lunchtime. No, I think that's at 10 32 you have so much going on but they can always check your website Yeah, click on calendar and you can see what's going on the week and flip through and look at all the weeks. We have short things. We have, we have longer workshops. We have really intense immersions, kind of whatever flavor anybody's looking for. Perfect. Yeah. Cool. And then, uh, when I was in, I had a chance to try one of those drinks that you guys have. Oh yeah. Those are amazing. Having shoes from fresh cafe and market carrier rush. Um, she brings us in fresh juice. She has chill out, um, that she made specifically for interspace to complement our salt lounge. I don't even think I talked about, but we have a hemline salt lounge in there and it's really good for respiratory and cardiovascular health. Um, because if we're going back to the basics, um, if you can't breathe good, if your sinuses are inflamed constantly or you maybe are a smoker or an ex smoker or you have asthma or allergies or anything that might be impeding in you getting a deep breath and oxygenate, oxygenating all of your blood properly, then you're not sleeping good. So who wants to get up early and meditate if they're not sleeping good. And then, you know, the rest of the day, just kind of, it's just you're in repeat mode. Repeat mode, repeat mode. Separate of study on that to the said that, um, the salt attaches to like the mucus and helps it. Yes. Like it's not good to eat, but it's actually good to breathe a little bit. I actually go into your bloodstream when you're in the salt lounge. You just, we have a generator that blows micro fine, um, salt into the air. It's pharmaceutical grade and you just breathe it in and reduces inflammation, breaks up mucus in the lungs. Um, it's just so good to be able to take deep breaths, you know, and then you feel better. You feel more okay. Marty we got, we're going to come down there and we got it when you want to go. They're going this week. I'm bringing Leah too. I just, let's, you said that kids can come if they're having, um, or even just some preventative, but they're having some sinus issues then, isn't it? Wednesdays? It's Monday evening or Monday. Oh there or do we got, we got a lot of stuff going on. Let's do it tonight. Let's try that. Okay. So parents get to go in free with the paid price of their child, but it's not the relaxing Zen environment than it normally is. So we changed the wall colors, two primary colors, and then we have games and toys out for kids to play so that they're not trying to sit there and BS then yeah. Trying to get a four year old or a kid would do that. They're like, okay, this is boring. What was going on here? What are we doing every Monday night? Teen five 15, six 15 and seven 15 and it's $35 and the parents get to come for free. So you also get the benefits and each parent can bring up to three children. And it's, do you find that uh, there's a kids or parents that are interested in having their kids learn to meditate and do yoga and you know, these type of close to things? Yeah, we have some kids classes, um, that we try to pair with adult classes as far as the same time slots. So we don't offer any sort of daycare. But if mom and dad or guardian wants to go to, um, like a breath work class and they're like, well, I have my kids and we both mom and dad want to go. We want to have an environment that supports, um, all the parents working on themselves. And then we might have a kids mindfulness class or a hands on art class or something that kind of digs more into that mindfulness practice at the same time with the children or kids yoga. That's awesome because there's actually times where I'm like, ah, I'd like to go. But I had my daughter, so, you know, our daughters. So at the same thing with Rodney's, we had talked a little bit about how, um, our kids would run around with this a lot, but I didn't know if that would've been something that'd be appropriate, but yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Cool. Yep. And our, some of our practitioners see children in the back, like the healing practitioners. My son is nine and he's seen a couple of them back there and Hawaiiana Reiki table and like, yeah, that's the future ed there. Right. And nurturing that in them too and their gifts and not turning off their light when they're little and they tell you something that you're like, how did you know that? Or what does that, or if they say that they heard something or they see something or they feel a certain way, it's, it's nurturing that within them too. And remembering to not let that flame go out cause it's really hard to read night that flame when you're older. I agree. And if you didn't get a chance to check out our nurturing creativity, which kind of goes hand in hand with that, uh, you can check that out. They released last week. So if you're just checking out this week, be sure to check out your Spotify conscious crew podcast for last week's episode and be sure to watch that one as well. Inner child stuff, man. I'll tell you, we were talking last week, we were talking about, um, uh, nurturing creativity. Yeah. So one thing that we had talked about a little earlier and that keeps coming to mind is that man, I, I really am so busy. I wished that I had time to come to interspace and like, so I'm like, if I can just, if I just get this done, if I just get that done and I just work hard now maybe later I'll have more time to do self work. I know that's not right. But do you have any tools on like when is a good time to go ahead and get into that, you know, to take the time? Um, for myself to grow, I think it's important to find a, find a balance and remember that we are human beings, right? We're not human doings. So, um, there is, and remembering that there is productivity and rest and there's productivity and taking care of ourselves and whatever that means it, it self care can mean anything. It can be tying your shoes if you don't normally, you know, it can be getting up out of bed five minutes earlier. Like, it doesn't have to be these grandiose things and it doesn't have to be this luxury bubble bath or anything. Um, but always taking that time to remember that you're a human and a lot of times, um, most of the time, um, th that constant response to having to do, do, do, um, if we peel back the layer and it's not the, you know, we've kind of worked through that layer of conditioning of we have to work hard to get results in sacrifice. So beyond that, we're still finding that we're just constantly doing, doing and never satisfied or never taking time for ourselves. Some. Most of the time it's a distraction and is a trauma response to something that needs, that needs attention, but we're not giving it attention so that I don't have time for this. I don't have time to take care of myself. I don't, I have to do this or I have to have this done and, and all of that. It's, it's distraction. So another check-in point would be, am I distracting myself right now? And then good thing to look out for that too. It's like screen time on our phones. You know? They have that magical thing where we can look at how. When somebody showed me that, I was like, Oh, distraction is huge for me. Definitely something I catch myself doing it all the time because you know, what's, what's comfortable, distracting myself, you know? It's terrifying. Growth and expansion. Yeah, it's definitely uncomfortable. Growth is very uncomfortable. They're comfortable. Then you probably need it. You ready to do a little more, right? Less of what? Like how can I do make time to do the things because we have an unlimited amount of time. It's infinite time really doesn't exist in my world. It's what am I doing with that time, the time that I have and what am I distracting myself and what am I distracting myself. Time is another podcast. We could talk about a podcast. We could talk for two hours on what time it is. Say prioritization is probably maybe one place where we're missing the key because like you're saying, it doesn't, you don't have to set the candles around the bath and do all that. You know? It's, it's just take five minutes, take 15 minutes to do something. Right. I don't mean to get too personal, but I think that you have been getting better Marty because, well, not better, but you haven't practiced in that just in the fact that like, I'll call you on a Saturday night and I'm ready to work and you're like, Hey buddy, I'm chilling tonight. Yeah, that's self care. That's, I'm like, yeah, I understood. I'll go over here and do what I'm doing. But no, that is, you have to do that. There's some days where I'm right, I'm not going to do anything today. Where I'm at on my journey is I think I would like, like I said, to make it to warm, um, schedule more things that I want to do. Um, but, you know, it's like, uh, like do my meditations, you know, I might, uh, what does that, uh, use insight, timer, insight timer on my insight timer app. But, uh, you know, and then after that it's just like, come do this, go to that meeting, meeting, meeting, you know, get home too, you know? So, um, we still do obviously wastes a lot of time on our phones. I think that's a great point. Um, and it's even in that, that you mentioned Rodney, with, are we doing when he's not doing, when you're not doing something, when you're like, no, I'm going to chill tonight. What are we doing when we're chilling? Every still distracting ourselves, you know? I know for me, because I received so much information just like shooting in that I distracted myself so that I don't even get that. So even in sometimes when I'm in rest chill mode and I'm like, yeah, I'm resting, rest is productive, but I'm still like, Oh, that book that I really should be reading or not should I, I don't like to shit on myself. So that book that I, that I want to read that I've been really interested in, you know, that I bought, I should really, I really want to read that, but I have a fear. If I read that book, it's going to unlock a different part of me that's going to be more free and expansive and a law. What comes with that is uncomfortableness in growth and more layers being peeled back of more, um, boundaries that I set for myself and the standards that I set for myself. So it's like, it's just a spiral. You just go deeper and deeper. But that constant doing that constant doing, I always recommend that people check in with themselves and I might, is it as a distraction? Is it a, it's a trauma response? Yeah. I definitely became aware of the fact that like being like a workaholic can be self abusive. Um, and you know, me and Marty have had conversations about that and that's when I tried to consciously be like, okay, I'm going to slow down sometimes and just just be like, if it's just like we, I think we talked about it in a different pocket. I was just playing with my son. That's like a way that I get president or walking. Yeah. You know, um, I think with like grower in and people, it can be a huge challenge to do that because in your, in your, your logical mind, if you stop, then you fall behind, you know? And, um, but like you said, it can, it can be very well, like when you stop for a while, you're recharging. That's how I view, it's almost like a metaphor with like the dragon ball Z, right? Where you sit for a Ron, you just charged back up and then go. But I like, I'm not perfect. I have this thing where I just go, go, go, go that drop. That's the name that that go go, go drop. Cause people will be like, well yeah I rest and recharge, you know, but do we have to live these lives where we're in fight or flight go, go, go, doing, doing, doing for even 50% of the time and then resting 50% of the time. That's still a lot for a lot of people. It's like an 85, 15, you know, cut, split of how much they're going, going, going. But then they're like, Oh yes, but I recharge. But what if we lived a life where we didn't have to recharge, where everything was, where we just had this beautiful harmony of the way that we, our lives. Everything was harmonious in a way. I mean there's still, there's still shit and there's that comes up and there's still stuff. And that's not to say, but we felt more even keeled all the time because that, that constant being in fight or flight in our body and our nervous system, speaking of our human bodies is not good. And that's causes stress on everything, which causes disease in the body. And then me though is, is that, yeah, I go and go and go more than most people probably do. But for me, I'm doing things that I enjoy. So I, I enjoy every, every hustle of it, you know, every minute of it. And I would, um, I mean, and being a business owner or, and whatnot is not necessarily for everyone, but I would challenge people to find creative ways and, um, you know, try to work things into your life that you enjoy. So when you get off, you know, even if you're working at a job, maybe you do or you don't like, um, you know, start kind of working into a hobby maybe that can, uh, pays, you know, that makes money or, or at least start to implement things into your lifestyle, like going to interspace, like, um, you know, recording a song or whatever it is that you enjoy painting anything creative, you know, a lot of that too. Cause I was somebody who was just constantly doing, doing, doing, doing, doing for the first bike, 30 years of my life. Um, and when somebody asked me what I like to do for fun, I had no idea and I'm like, I have no idea. And then I started to have this huge guilt and judgment and shame on myself because I'm like, how do I not know what I like to do or what's fun? And then it was this spiral of not good feeling of unworthiness, of even being able to have fun. Um, but that in tapping into the inner child. So if somebody had told me once, what did you like to do when you were young that you stopped doing? And I was like, Oh yeah. For me it was music. Ah, yeah. Writing for me. Um, definitely music writing. Um, just I chopped my big challenge is my work all Agnes, so I had to go back to being able to play whatever it is. Play, play. Yeah. Play basketball. You know what I mean? Dude, you know, you know, it's huge. We forget and we encourage it with our children. Right? Yeah. And then eventually along the way we were like, okay, that's enough play. Now it's time to be an adult. And it's like, wait a minute. No, I'm still that person. I have them bring that up. Yeah. Yeah. I have to bring that up because, um, I had a, I related to what you said because for a long time I was like reading books, like, do what makes you happy and this isn't how I'm like, dude, I do know what makes me happy. Right? Yeah. So, um, learning the play and see the thing is I've been studying, you know, like modalities for almost 20 years. So each of them, they almost, some of the modalities would make you almost judge yourself. Yeah. But we're, the space that I've been in the last, I'd say two years is definitely that consciousness can definitely be fun. Yeah. It can definitely be that is, yeah. That's a big part of what we want to offer with the conscious. Crew that's a huge part of it. So, you know, the people can come out and still have fun, do the kickbacks or, or listen to music. That's, yeah. That's not just, you know, only meditation music. It has aspects of it, you know, it's positive. That's enlightening and it's not perpetuating the crap. Yeah. That we hear in a lot of the music now. So yeah. You, we ran into that where, um, like your clientele are people that come to your space or real serious, cause I've ran into that, like where people are like, well no, you have to just, you have to be harmless. You have to meet. It's like, that doesn't feel good to me. It doesn't feel light. Like I'm, yeah, let's have some fun. Let's have some fun with it. We have all sorts of facilitators. What's great with the facilitators is that they get to show up and do what they do, how they do it. As long as, I mean we, Alicia and I meet with everybody first to make sure that, you know, just that it aligns with the whole mission of inner space first. Um, and then after that we provide all the rest of the support so that they can just show up and do what they do best so they don't have to worry about all the other stuff. And when they show up in that way, it is fun and it is lighter and it is more flowy because all of the pressure's released from them. They don't have to like organize and you know, check people in and worry about registration, all that stuff. They don't have to worry about any of that. They just show up and then it is fun. Yeah. And I agree. This stuff is fun and removing the judgment too. I'm glad you brought that up of that. This can't be fun. Like when I think about what's fun, I'm like, well, I really like getting in my flow state, right? Yeah. And going back, right. And going back to, uh, you know, like me and Marty being earthly people, we actually enjoy this like, like this. Like, or like I'm taking notes on the organizer in my mind is fun to me. Like I'm having a rash over here, I'm doing the podcast, we're having a blast. I know Marty enjoy his planning. I wouldn't do a lot of things. I do enjoy it way too much time into this, right. For it to be like a job we don't like. So, yeah. And there is the, the serious work of it, you know, on ourselves. But there were constant reminder to play and have fun with it and laugh like, you know, it's, uh, it's fun and be in surrounding yourself with people that you can have both conversations with so you can have those deep dive conversations with. And that also the people that will remind you, Hey, you've been a little deep, a little heady for awhile. Like let's, let's play. That's what I, that's how I love my son so much because he teaches me how to be, because he could be ticked off. You know, there's those people die, they cut us off, up, up, blah, blah. But then in an instant he's back the joy. So I think people go through different stages for the last couple months or you know, through the winter. I kinda told her, we talked about this, that let's, let's build this thing. You know, let's, let's get all these, uh, outlines of all these different things that we need to do to be successful. And then, like we talked about, we're going to be going into our creative stage now. So we want to create music and you know, we're really going to do a lot of recording production. Yeah. We're stepping out. And so we want this spring to summer through the rest of the year. Did we really like, you know, okay, now we've got everything in order. We did that this winter. And so I think the people go through stages as well. The seasons, like you could just kind of described that you're taking that winter too, like hibernate and and recluse and take care of and to nurture yourself and your creation and then you kind of, the spring comes up and you're like, here it is a little bit. And some are kind of like fly little birdie more than ever. More than ever. The energies are here supporting us to do that. Like generally around the whole world, it's, it's time to step up and show yourself. Be seen. Yeah. Well we appreciate you coming on today. This was amazing. Podcast um, this is again, Brandy from interspace. I'd be sure to check out her website, interspace, D M D S M interspace, dsm.com. And you have to also have an app. Tell us about the app. Yeah, it's on both Android and iOS and it's really simple. The easiest way to schedule, you can download it. It's just called Innerspace. It's black with white triangles. And on there you can look at our entire calendar. You can scope out the all the facilitators. It's really nice cause the facilitators are attached to each class. So if you look at one meditation and then you want us, you want to learn about the facilitator and you might vibe with one and not the other. Um, we kinda lay everything out transparently on there so you can see the whole schedule, everything. And you can book salt lamps are there too. Really. Okay. We're definitely checking that out this week. So, uh, again, thank you so much for being a sponsor for our conscious kickback March 13th. Thanks for having me. This was fun. So you always check us out as well on conscious crew movement dot. Uh, Rodney Ryan again down on the end. Be sure to check him out, Instagram, Facebook, and also take a moment to follow our group on Facebook. Conscious crew collective, uh, on Facebook again for positivity and just more I'd met, right. Meant empowerment, great community we were putting together over on base with bigger. Yup. So again, thank you so much for coming and hope everyone has a great day. Peace.